Comments on: Comic-Book Altermodernism http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/2010/03/11/comic-book-altermodernism/ Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:41:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: comets comets http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/2010/03/11/comic-book-altermodernism/comment-page-1/#comment-332 comets comets Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:58:22 +0000 http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/?p=475#comment-332 'a new kind of fusion of contemporary and international influences' i'm unsure how this is different from postmodern collage. i honestly see more potential for the altermodern in what frank calls 'the elmo generation', in those who marry the universal themes (read: western modernism) of indie comics with the local, regional aesthetic concerns (fort thunder) of art comics. jason overby (discretefunk.com) might be a good example of this. he uses fort thunder's aesthetics as a sign that locates himself within a larger community, unlike, say, the original members of fort thunder, and their followers, who seemed to use signs in an enclosing, self-referential way. i see jason overby's comics as 'logging onto the internet' and fort thunder / art comics as 'creating a local internet'. ‘a new kind of fusion of contemporary and international influences’

i’m unsure how this is different from postmodern collage.

i honestly see more potential for the altermodern in what frank calls ‘the elmo generation’, in those who marry the universal themes (read: western modernism) of indie comics with the local, regional aesthetic concerns (fort thunder) of art comics.

jason overby (discretefunk.com) might be a good example of this. he uses fort thunder’s aesthetics as a sign that locates himself within a larger community, unlike, say, the original members of fort thunder, and their followers, who seemed to use signs in an enclosing, self-referential way. i see jason overby’s comics as ‘logging onto the internet’ and fort thunder / art comics as ‘creating a local internet’.

]]> By: Tom Kaczynski http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/2010/03/11/comic-book-altermodernism/comment-page-1/#comment-324 Tom Kaczynski Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:58:55 +0000 http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/?p=475#comment-324 Absolutely. I'm not married to the Altermodern term either. Just trying it out for a size. But what you say about reprints also carries though to to the art world. Altermodernism is at least partially fueled by 'other modernisms' that existed outside of the main western strain. Eastern European modernisms, South American ones, etc. Movements and work that were largely confined to specific areas and tended to be dismissed as regional. This history is being reclaimed for a new generation. It seems analogous to me at least on some level. Here's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqHMILrKpDY" rel="nofollow">Bourriaud again touching on history</a>. Absolutely. I’m not married to the Altermodern term either. Just trying it out for a size. But what you say about reprints also carries though to to the art world. Altermodernism is at least partially fueled by ‘other modernisms’ that existed outside of the main western strain. Eastern European modernisms, South American ones, etc. Movements and work that were largely confined to specific areas and tended to be dismissed as regional. This history is being reclaimed for a new generation. It seems analogous to me at least on some level. Here’s Bourriaud again touching on history.

]]> By: Frank Santoro http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/2010/03/11/comic-book-altermodernism/comment-page-1/#comment-323 Frank Santoro Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:32:25 +0000 http://www.transatlantis.net/blog/?p=475#comment-323 Sounds good. But that's a tough word to say easily. Fusion is easier to say. And, technically, Dash Shaw coined the term and I used it. I don't really like Fusion Jazz so I was a little put off by it, but I think the term resonated with folks a little bit. "Alternative" is in such usage that it may be difficult to overtake... Anyways, the point is that this new way of assimilating influence is taking hold, I think, largely because of the availability of reprints. For Brandon Graham to unite Bode and Moebius 15 years ago would have been really difficult because their work was out of print for years. Now with the web, for images and for tracking down out of print books, it's a new ballgame. Sounds good. But that’s a tough word to say easily. Fusion is easier to say. And, technically, Dash Shaw coined the term and I used it. I don’t really like Fusion Jazz so I was a little put off by it, but I think the term resonated with folks a little bit. “Alternative” is in such usage that it may be difficult to overtake…

Anyways, the point is that this new way of assimilating influence is taking hold, I think, largely because of the availability of reprints. For Brandon Graham to unite Bode and Moebius 15 years ago would have been really difficult because their work was out of print for years. Now with the web, for images and for tracking down out of print books, it’s a new ballgame.

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